Talk:AC/DC/GA4

GA Review

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Reviewer: RetroCosmos (talk · contribs) 04:19, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

I will be adding to this over the next few days. I will only mention items I have an issue with. Thus, this review may seem negative - it is not intended to be.

The following Good Articles will be considered as they are similar in subject matter:

• Deftones
• Led Zeppelin

Thank you for your assessments. I will attend to start on these later today.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:52, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Well written

Keep in mind I have no degree in English, so I am open to being challenged on any of these points.

• article relies on many brackets to deliver information that could integrated into the sentence (except for headings and subheadings which are fine as is) -> article relies on many brackets to deliver information that could be integrated into the sentence, except for headings and brackets which are fine as is

Reduced, generally replaced by parenthetical dashes or commas with rewording where necessary.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:04, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

• Fat Lip vocalist Allan Fryer, ex-Rick Wakeman vocalist Gary Pickford-Hopkins,[57] and the Easybeats' singer Stevie Wright were touted by the press as possible replacements.[2][58] Various other candidates were considered: ex-Moxy member Buzz Shearman, who was unable to join due to voice issues,[59] Slade vocalist Noddy Holder,[60] and ex-Back Street Crawler vocalist Terry Slesser.[61]
  • This structure is confusing, it seems to conflate "touted by the press" and "considered". Were the press touts considered by the band? Or were the other candidates just considered by the press? RetroCosmos (talk) 04:34, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

  added "by the group" for the "considered" bit.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:37, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

• The group performed with the Rolling Stones and Rush at Molson Canadian Rocks for Toronto on 30 July 2003. The concert, with an audience of half-a-million, assisted the city to overcome negative publicity from the effects of a 2003 severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) outbreak.
  • I was going to suggest that this should be attributed to the CBC article, but it looks like the concert was specifically a benefit event for the SARS outbreak in Toronto, according to the linked Wiki page. Sentence may benefit from being rewritten to better reflect this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RetroCosmos (talk • contribs) 13:21, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I've had a go at this re-writing three or so sentences: hopefully it reads better.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 18:36, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Verifiable with no original research

• would benefit from having online sources for certain pivotal claims. many casual readers are not able to access these sources, so it would be helpful for them if there was an online source. this is not an attack on the quality of sources and is overall not fatal to GA designation from me
• I understand the above may be difficult since much of the article relies on Elliot 2008. it would be a "nice to have" if the source was made accessible on the web. again, not fatal

I've added new on-line references and added ref tabs to fix both of these. However, I have kept all Elliot tabs for those readers who like books.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:40, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

• first few adjectives in the criticism section should be individually cited, or at the very least at wholesale at the end of the sentence

I've tackled this, it should be okay, now.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:53, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

• all sources are offline, i'll agf - will spot check online sources on a later date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RetroCosmos (talk • contribs) 08:49, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

  For this spot check I will be checking some online sources with an emphasis on sentences supported by only one source.

  • 9: Long dead website Howlspace. Is well written and relatively consistent with the other parts of this article that are supported by offline sources (again, AGF) that I am not particularly disturbed as to its legitimacy. A different spelling of Tony Currenti's name (Kerrante) gives me a bit of pause, though I suspect this is a result of spelling out a name for the first time before the age of information.

Nimmervoll, the author died in 2014. Nimmervoll had been a reporter and editor of Go-Set (1966–1974) and Juke Magazine (1975–1992). He started HowlSpace in 2000 and some his biographies/histories of Australasian artists were used by AllMusic. As for the spelling of Currenti it seems phonetic.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:41, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

• • 41: Blabbermouth.net I accept this as an appropriate source and supports the sentence citing it. However, it is an oral recollection of events from Malcolm Young. Whether this would benefit from attribution I leave up to the writer.
  • 80: Critic is a writer from Rolling Stone, seems appropriate.
  • 253: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame confirms that AC/DC was inducted in 2003, but not the specific day. Yahoo Music (255) confirms it as 10 Mar. This is a minor and will not affect the GA.

  The offline sources pass my (highly unscientific) sniff test. RetroCosmos (talk) 15:22, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Broad in its coverage

• "a week after this session Burgess was fired" - why? I would assume it was because they weren't good enough, but (online) sourcing cannot verify this. Would be nice to have clarity, but if unknown can state unknown (edit: he was fired because he was drunk on stage) RetroCosmos (talk) 04:13, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

  I am unable to find why Van Kreidt was fired from sources already on Wikipedia. RetroCosmos (talk) 04:23, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

  Split sentence on Burgess and Van Kreidt dismissals. According to Kimball Burgess was unconscious during a performance. I cannot find much on Van Kreidt; I've added "unspecified reasons".shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:11, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

• After having problems with drugs and alcohol,[80]
  • expand on how severe was this alcohol and drug problem RetroCosmos (talk) 04:37, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

  I believe I've addressed this issue. Rudd's addictions were described during his criminal court case in 2015. shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:12, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

• As with many bands of their era, AC/DC ran afoul of the Satanic panic of the 1980s.
  • The first part of this sentence is a bit sketchy. While the general concept is easy to understand, it becomes a bit of an issue if the reader wants to further research the issue. Who are AC/DC's era peers may be difficult to quickly find. Upon opening the linked wikipage (Satanic panic) I am not able to get much more information. A Google search yielded this:Parents_Music_Resource_Center#Filthy_Fifteen. There might be some benefit in the inclusion of this anchor, but if you have another solution that's okay too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RetroCosmos (talk • contribs) 13:32, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I've worked the suggested link in, which deals with a wider moral panic about rock music subverting youth – AC/DC are listed for sexual lyrics of a song.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 18:39, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

• Clack - left with some confusion. I am asking this more as a reader than a reviewer, though it's a bit relevant from the perspective of the review as well. This article says he was fired. On this article the sources regarding this are all offline. His Wikipedia article says fired but its source does not mention the cause of separation. I performed a (admittedly basic) search of the internet and I was not able to find mentionings of a firing. In interviews he says they "split" and cited low pay and royalties, but I recognize this may be biased. I ask that you clarify this with your available sources and review the Currenti and Bailey firings as well. The other "firing"s seem solid to me. RetroCosmos (talk) 15:51, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

  I'll keep looking for more on the Clack and Bailey firings. As for Currenti, he was a session musician, according to interviews he declined membership of the band (see here). shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:50, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

  Bailey and Clack with both fired (unspecified reasons) according to Kimball (ref [2]). shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:54, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Neutral

Stable

• one or two reversions within the last 50 edits but nothing that says "edit war" to me

Illustrated

• would benefit from a musical sample, but this is not fatal

Final note

I have had a look over at the FA delisting and it seems to me that the issues have been either removed from the article or rewritten in light of criticism. I am aware the criteria for a GA are lower than a FA, but that work has been done to resolve FA criticism is a green flag to me. The Clack issue gives me a bit of pause but I will assume good faith as sources also say that the brothers had high standards and my interpretation of this is that a firing is on par for the course, and offline sources are linked on sentences mentioning the firings.

I find that revision 1192341588 meets the good article criteria. I ask the nominators to double check the firings. RetroCosmos (talk) 16:07, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your valiant effort in reviewing this article. I appreciate your achievement and time required.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:51, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.