Talk:Ebrahim Raisi

he can't hear?!

@S.A. Julio: Hi dear. I see your name at User:GTVM92 's talk page. He restored my edit three times (1, 2 and 3). I changed the picture of infobox to this & this but he rolled back both of them. I went to his talk page , and ping him twice but he didn't any answer to me! His persistency on a inappropriate picture wich uploaded by him is surprising. it seems he can't hear! Can you help me? Benyamin-ln (talk) 20:56, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

death committee

Death committee is not an official name so it should not be used with quotation mark.--Seyyed(t-c) 13:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC) His photograph of 1980 shows brown hair but the main photograph shows whitened black hair.

 Done - thanks. BrxBrx(talk)^{(please reply with {{SUBST:re|BrxBrx}})} 23:17, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2021

Ebrahim Raisi is no more the Hon'ble Chief Justice of Iran. He is the incumbent President of the Islamic Republic of Iran from 23rd June 2021 BishalED (talk) 12:26, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

 Already done This is covered in the article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:48, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2021

Ebrahim Raisi holds a PhD in Jurisprudence and Fundamentals of Law with a focus on private law from Shahid Motahari Higher Education Institute. https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1227134/%D9%85%D8%AF%D8%B1%DA%A9-%D8%AF%DA%A9%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%87%DB%8C%D9%85-%D8%B1%D8%A6%DB%8C%D8%B3%DB%8C-%D8%B9%DA%A9%D8%B3 Izadi114 (talk) 14:57, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2021

Please change "He has claimed to have received a doctorate degree in Private law from Motahari University; however, this has been disputed." to "He holds a PhD in Jurisprudence and Fundamentals of Law with a focus on private law from Shahid Motahari Higher Education Institute." Izadi114 (talk) 15:01, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Not done Please provide a reliable source. The current wording is backed by a reliable source, so changing wording, from what is verified to what is not verified, is against Wikipedia policy. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 15:11, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Terribly sorry, I did not see the request above. The source you provide Mashregh News has close ties to the Iranian government according to the article, so in this case the claim is less reliable than the BBC article, which details why academic doubt exists regarding his credentials. Perhaps some compromise wording could be worked out, detailing the claim to credentails, but also acknowledging the significant level of doubt that exists. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 15:16, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

When is he taking office?

Why is the inauguration date August 8, instead of August 3, 2021? GoodDay (talk) 04:36, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

GoodDay, because the source says August 8. A bunch of editors have been changing it to the 3rd, but not one has presented a source to back that up. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 05:45, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

It's seems as though it's settled. August 3, it is. GoodDay (talk) 03:18, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2021

Hi, Raisi is not on a EU sanctions list, as you can see here: https://www.sanctionsmap.eu/ (select "Iran", "Info" and "Lists of persons, entities and items") Therefore, I suggest chapter 10 ("Sanctions") should be adapted accordingly. thx 45.86.164.225 (talk) 13:54, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done Found corroborating source europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/P-9-2021-003332_EN.html 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 03:38, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

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Descent claim

Raisi CLAIMS descent, this isnt a confirmed thing, Sayyids claim paternal descent from Husayn is more appropriate to add, most muslims do not believe he is, especially Sunnis and many Shia, its a familial and common claim for clergy leadership. Supporters emphasise it for political/religious purposes. Urge a change to show claim as it implies he descends from the Prophet Muhammed's grandson without dispute. Ask for a kind ammendment.

Ultra conservative according to whom?

According to some jewish-american press he is ultra-conservative, according to the rest of the world he is a muslim

Assembly of Experts - infobox

The infobox shows a three-day gap in Raisi's service in the Assembly of Experts. Is this merely showing he served consecutive terms (in which case it should be removed) or something else? Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 03:21, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2022

Ebrahim Raeisi is No longer the "President of Iran" Such acknowledgement by Wikipedia will help with the democracy movement in Iran. Please note October 1st, 2022 as his last day in Power" Anooshiravan Dadgar (talk) 17:23, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

•  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 17:25, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Raisi gained nickname of The Butcher of Tehran

For his part in the execution of 10,000 demonstrators against the Islamic regime and in favor of a democratic form of government, as well as other acts against fellow Iranians, his fellow Iranians in return gave Raisi the nickname The Butcher of Tehran.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2022/09/13/a_brief_history_of_the_butcher_of_tehran_579496.html

Ebrahim Raisi started his career in 1981 as the prosecutor of Karaj and Hamadan Provinces. He played a leading role in persecuting minorities, especially the Bahais, and political opponents that left untold numbers dead, tortured, and jailed. 2600:4040:5F0A:5500:CC14:BEFE:BD7B:614B (talk) 22:46, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Motahari is not a university, it is an Islamic madreseh. Please correct. 2603:8000:107:DFE8:F57E:B1A6:189B:AD3B (talk) 18:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

He’s not dead yet.

The man isn’t officially dead yet. While his helicopter did crash, no bodies have yet to be found and no one has reached the crash site. It seems very presumptive to give him a death date without a body. 2601:408:8004:EAF0:A92F:DDB8:D33C:E0E1 (talk) 15:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, a voice of reason. Toadspike [Talk] 15:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Other sources say that he and other officials are fine. 180.150.112.106 (talk) 16:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

What sources are they? Mehr News Agency nor the Iranian RCS have confirmed it. Abandonee (talk) 16:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

They still haven't found the heli yet 151.34.90.247 (talk) 17:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

What about this? It says hard landing. Meaning it wasn't a crash. AP news, "Hlicopter carrying Iran’s hard-line president apparently crashes in foggy, mountainous region" 180.150.112.106 (talk) 17:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Exactly, we should wait for an official confirmation of what happened. Although Kann and Keshet 12 reports for more than an hour now that the "Israeli assessment is that Raisi is dead", as of now, they should be treated as speculative sources.

-- Masterdesky (talk) 17:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah Israel has better satellites maybe.180.150.112.106 (talk) 17:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Numerous violations of WP:NOTNEWS

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news agency. Any reporting on the helicopter incident is far too soon. Wait for facts to be established and reported in reliable sources, and then report it. I encourage everyone to remove the frequent not news violations on sight. Jeppiz (talk) 18:28, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree. We should hold off on writing about this incident until there are more clear reliable sources available SKAG123 (talk) 18:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, it's still unfolding. Also keep an eye on his wife's page, someone changed the description of it to "widow of the Iranian president" two hours ago. I changed it back to wife, as we don't know if he's dead or not. Camillz (talk) 18:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Death

Can I put "Possibly dead" in his info box? Camillz (talk) 18:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

No. See WP:CRYSTAL and WP:NOTNEWS. Jeppiz (talk) 19:05, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

He's dead, Jim. ( https://x.com/anadoluagency/status/1792348729858768951 ) 2A02:2F01:6412:8000:A80C:A46C:F65F:3780 (talk) 00:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Associated Press and CNN is citing Iranian State TV that there are no signs of life at the crash site. CNN: https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/raisi-iran-president-helicopter-crash/h_84e1c9ad10338418fd5540d8f7723cc6 Coasterghost (talk) 03:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Helicopter accident

In may 19th 2024 his helicopter had an accident near varzaghan and rescue teams start to search to find him in this search a group of three also lost Amirilkhani (talk) 20:15, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

We've discussed this. See above sections. Sadustu Tau (talk) 20:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 May 2024

2604:2D80:D780:9500:B1D5:FF5C:CC8B:83DC (talk) 00:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

He might of died in a plane crash.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Note there is already a section about this with the quote It seems increasingly likely that Iran’s president is dead. Jamedeus (talk) 00:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Women's rights section doesn't read very neutral

Don't get me wrong, I think the information presented is valid, but the wording "In fact, Iran has one of the world's worst records for human rights, thus Raisi's statements must be taken with extreme caution." after his (apparent) feminist view points comes across as a gotcha moment. I feel like it could be reworded slightly, maybe replacing the 'in fact' with 'Despite these comments' or something along those lines.--Amelia-the-comic-geek (talk) 01:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Confirmed dead.

No official statement yet but several middle eastern media outlets are confirming the helicopter has been found as is decimated no one survived Theinfomer07 (talk) 02:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@Theinfomer07 if there's no official statement I don't think it's confirmed. Arcade Wise (they/them) (talk) 02:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

New AP story says no signs of life. No body but that's as close as we've got. Aresef (talk) 03:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

state media has now confirmed that there are no survivors... شاه عباس (talk) 03:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

CNN are citing Iranian state news agency IRINN and semi-official news agency Mehr News. Coasterghost (talk) 03:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

CNN confirms. He's dead. 2603:8000:3E00:9FE2:FD49:8141:D952:5BDB (talk) 03:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

multiple sources now reporting no survivors, I'd say it's safe to update the article Hollywood43ar (talk) 03:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I stand corrected, they're currently only reporting "no signs of survivors" Hollywood43ar (talk) 03:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

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173.228.198.72 (talk) 03:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

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Died 19 May 2024 (Age 63) Kalam, Iran 170.55.65.198 (talk) 03:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

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Was not is. 75.51.27.24 (talk) 03:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

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He dead BricklordOG420 (talk) 03:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Confirmed dead

He's been confirmed dead, per CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/raisi-iran-president-helicopter-crash/index.html Ccole2006 (talk) 03:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Also per CBS News here [1] which get their reporting from state media CtasACT (talk) 03:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I haven't seen anything that confirms he's dead yet, only stating there were "no signs of survivors" Hollywood43ar (talk) 03:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes but lets be realistic he's not some type of immortal being who teleports out of the scene after surviving a helicopter crash, its de-facto confirmation. You are right on the verbatim point that it has not been stated WORD by WORD. CtasACT (talk) 03:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

No reason to rush. See WP:CRYSTAL and WP:NOTNEWS. Instead we have people breaking the formatting of the page to rush to be the first person to edit it. 2600:4040:297C:8F00:CC1E:28D2:F5EB:DCA0 (talk) 03:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

They've said "no signs of life". That's not a confirmation, but means presumed dead or missing. They haven't even found the body. Linkin Prankster (talk) 03:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

How bout this? https://www.foxnews.com/video/6353254587112 , no survivor which mean he died Misquerable (talk) 03:55, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, this was reported on by CNN and other orgs as well. There's enough confirmation by now to say that he is dead. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 03:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

He died

On many news sources, they say that he has died from the crash Qwrest (talk) 03:24, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Irresponsible conduct by editors here

News reports stating that there are "no signs of life" are not definitive official pronouncements of death. This is WP:SYNTH and WP:OR on a highly sensitive issue. We shouldn't be jumping the gun until there are clear headlines by established, reliable news reports: "Raisi is dead"/ JDiala (talk) 03:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Although Raisi's death is pretty much certain, it's not yet confirmed. The rescue teams are not yet at the crash site. Johndavies837 (talk) 03:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, until they find remains it's too early to update the article. Hollywood43ar (talk) 03:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Latest update from Iranian state TV says they're still "looking for signs of life". Johndavies837 (talk) 03:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

If someone went for a walk through a jungle and disappeared for 16 hours and there were "no signs of life", you would have been right. The problem for you is, a helicopter crashed and the wreckage is charcoal and what the news says is "no signs of survivors". شاه عباس (talk) 03:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Wreckage is sometimes destroyed in a post-crash fire. Just look at the 2024 Haneda Airport runway collision in which everyone on the Japan Airlines flight escaped before the plane was destroyed in a fire. Again, I don't think Raisi survived it's just not confirmed yet. Johndavies837 (talk) 03:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Do we revert the edits because he *technically* has not been pronounced dead? Ccole2006 (talk) 03:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

No, I agree with the editor above that this is much different from the scenario of "walking through a jungle" — the helicopter, which is quite small, has been reported to have crashed into a mountain cliff and subsequently completely burned — I think it's safe to say that any reports of "no signs of life" are almost certainly true. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 03:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Just to play devil's advocate, it's possible they left alive and wandered away from the site and it burned down more completely after they left. Until they find remains it just seems too close to a crystal ball Hollywood43ar (talk) 03:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Is "almost certainly true" enough to declare a president dead? Not even the cited source (Al Jazeera) is reporting his death on the front page. Their headline is: "Rescuers find helicopter of Iran president, foreign minister after crash". Johndavies837 (talk) 03:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Although a report just came in from CNN (1) that says that "no survivors" were found, and shows footage of the wreckage, which is quite different. By now, there's plenty of evidence to go along with changing the tense and going ahead with other edits. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 03:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

State media (written) confirmed his death. شاه عباس (talk) 03:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

The CNN article in question literally refers to him in the past tense. Pedisaur (talk) 03:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

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NonHydranary (talk) 03:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Remove the "Present Day Iran" from his birth data, as it was still Iran in 1960, this language should only be applied to when an area fell under different borders or the state changed its name. This language is not present on any other pages of Iranian politicians.

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put his date of death as may 19th 2024 184.189.220.196 (talk) 03:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)