Talk:List of journalists killed in the Israel–Hamas war

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Issam Abdallah[edit]

There is an articel about Reuters journalist Draft: Issam Abdallah. --HearbreakingSuperman (talk) 20:47, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@HearbreakingSuperman: Nice work. Can you fill the citations gaps? Iskandar323 (talk) 21:04, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Iskandar323, shure. Can you please tell me, for what passage. Thanks. --HearbreakingSuperman (talk) 07:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@HearbreakingSuperman: Actually, the gaps seems to have been fixed now. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to merge with Violence against journalists in the 2023 Israel–Hamas war[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
To not merge, as the stand-along list is helpful to readers and continuing to grow; discussion is complicated by a page move during the process of the discussion. Klbrain (talk) 09:41, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Similar scope, and the two pages are rather short. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 06:01, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The scope side of things was valid, as there was previously a greater degree overlapping scope, and excess prose on the list article, but this has now been migrated across [1][2], alleviating the problem. What remains are two very different and cleanly differentiated pages: one a prose article and one a list. Standalone lists tend to exist specifically to avoid bloating prose pages, which is what would be the result of a merge here. As it stands, the two pages have usefully discrete functions. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:25, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I don't see what this page adds? What's value-add on this page that's not on the list? Longhornsg (talk) 17:35, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Longhornsg: It feels like you're confused about which page's talk this is. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:35, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not confused. Violence against journalists in the 2023 Israel–Hamas war and List of journalists killed in the 2023 Israel–Hamas war should be merged. Longhornsg (talk) 23:49, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It looks like the list is going to grow and may not stay short. -Object404 (talk) 07:14, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This article gets 622 page views per day on average. The other article gets 36. I'd be very wary of merging a relatively popular article into an obscure article so I'm leaning oppose. DFlhb (talk) 07:43, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Strict lists (which is what this should be, without any commentary) are useful for presenting information in an easily accessible format.VR talk 05:48, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I think the list can be read better with context/circumstances of deaths/injuries/other incidents in box form. Borgenland (talk) 17:28, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: I suppose I should formally oppose this, based on the above. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:21, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: A complete list would not benefit the readers of Violence against journalists in the 2023 Israel–Hamas war Marokwitz (talk) 08:07, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: An Investigation of IDF intentionally targeting journalist, or journalists, is ongoing.To write about killing itself and the list of victims, even with details, would be different. At least we should wait how the ongoing investigation goes. Paperworkorange (talk) 16:19, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as a useful standalone list that would make the other article quite long at this point. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 19:19, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. _-Masssly (talk) 17:47, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - violence against journalists encompasses more than killings. The list of killings would make an article around violence against journalists too long and out of focus homo momo (talk) 05:51, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Farah Omar[edit]

I believe the link to Farah Omar is incorrect. This article refers to a journalist killed during the 2023 Israel Hamas war, but the one linked goes to a wikipedia article for another individual named Farah Omar, who died in British Somaliland in 1949. Widoreu (talk) 16:27, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind. It has been corrected! Widoreu (talk) 22:40, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Format[edit]

Propose expanding the use of box template to injured and missing/detained journalists. Borgenland (talk) 11:46, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose adding a column for those active with or affiliated with terrorists organisations. I think it’s genuinely more than half of these people. Sources include: https://honestreporting.com/who-are-the-killed-gazan-journalists-affiliated-with-palestinian-terror-groups/
https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/more-than-half-of-the-palestinian-journalists-killed-in-the-gaza-strip-during-operation-iron-swords-were-affiliated-with-terrorist-organizations/
Also, this is becoming a big story as some of the images indicate possible participation, or at least collaboration to get the shot. And there are likely to be related civil suits from the families of victims.
https://honestreporting.com/broken-borders-media-showcase-oct-7-pictures-by-gaza-photojournalists-as-images-of-the-year/ 49.183.71.30 (talk) 06:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additional references to bylines etc[edit]

The article is focused on one reference. Can we have links to where they published or obituaries ? Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 00:06, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

January 18 list[edit]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-tracker

But from the numbers it looks like they are all listed here already?

Irtapil (talk) 14:37, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Abusive copyright claim ?[edit]

Copyright claim posed by Diannaa seems dubious. The article is a list. Even if the source for all those journalists is one article, this is not copyright infringement. Texts describing the circumstances are way different.

Example : for "Duaa Sharaf" On the journal website:

Palestinian journalist Sharaf, host for the Hamas-affiliated Radio Al-Aqsa, was killed with her child in a strike on her home in the Yarmouk neighborhood in Gaza, according to Anadolu Agency and Middle East Monitor. On assignment? Presumed; investigation ongoing

On the wikipedia article:

A host for Al-Aqsa Voice Radio was killed along with her child in an airstrike on their home in the Yarmouk neighborhood.

Diannaa could you please detail your claim ?

Freeflyer (talk) 09:34, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The place where I found the matching content is here. I have carefully checked and do not believe that this is a Wikipedia mirror, since it was used as a citation as early as the very first edit to the page. You can view the overlap using Earwig's tool. — Diannaa (talk) 14:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Based on experience, the section beginning with was does constitute a violation on Earwig, and given the excessive emphasis on the CPJ the machine likely considered the rest of the article as such. If this is to be restored, other sources would have to be used to validate info and prevent a repeat of this wipeout. Borgenland (talk) 14:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article does not have to be deleted, but the content that overlaps with the CPJ website needs to be removed. Any interested editor can undertake this cleanup. There's full intstructions here. — Diannaa (talk) 18:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As the one primarily responsible for the mess, I believe the account you talked to should be the one spearheading the release request. But I’ll try rewriting the entire thing in a few days and see if it passes. Borgenland (talk) 17:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just made a draft in the talk thing you recommended in @Durranistan talk page. For some reason Earwig couldn't read it for scanning: [3] Borgenland (talk) 13:40, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was able to scan it and found while Earwig gives a fairly high percentage, it's coming from content that does not need to be paraphrased. I am going ahead with the move into mainspace now. Thank you Borgenland for taking the time to look after this. — Diannaa (talk) 15:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome! I'll keep working on what copyedits can still be done. Borgenland (talk) 15:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, I saw you removed the detained and missing part. Was that also part of the copyvio? Borgenland (talk) 15:48, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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