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Fascism[edit]

I've removed a claim that the Whites as a a whole were fascist. It was cited to two 1920s newspaper articles, neither of which actually verified the claim. My search of present-day scholarly sources also completely failed to verify the claim. Labels such as "bourgeoisie",^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4] "agrarian",^[1] "anti-socialist",^[5]^[6] and "anti-communist"^[7]^[8] are common in academic literature, but "fascist" just doesn't seem to be there. There certainly was (and is!) fascism in Finland (see Lapua Movement, Patriotic People's Movement and many more), but applying that label too broadly results in nothing but normalizing the idea of fascism and providing cheap ammunition for those who still hold onto misconceptions about there being no fascists in Finland. It also undermines any discussion of the atrocities conducted during and after the Finnish Civil War, enabling a view where "it was only the bad fascists who did bad things". Ljleppan (talk) 13:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As these claims, if supported by reliable sources, should presumably be included in several other high-profile articles, I've taken the liberty of notifying the talk pages of Finnish Civil War, Whites (Finland) and Fascism in Finland. @Obi2canibe: as the person introducing these claims into various biographies, could you list some of the reliable sources that support your position? Ljleppan (talk) 06:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b Koskelainen, Sami; Hjelm, Titus (2016). "Christ vs. Communism: Communism as a Religious Social Problem in Finland's Proto-Fascist Lapua Movement in the 1930s". Journal of Historical Sociology. 40 (4). doi:10.1111/johs.12130.
^ Siltaja, Juha (2015). "Dissolution and Reintegration in Finland, 1914–1932: How did a Disarmed Country Become Absorbed into Brutalization?". Journal of Baltic Studies. 46 (1). doi:10.1080/01629778.2015.1009691.
^ Kettunen, Pauli Tapio (2018). "Wars, nation and the welfare state in Finland". In Obinger, Herbert; Petersen, Klaus; Starke, Peter (eds.). Warfare and Welfare: Military Conflict and Welfare State Development in Western Countries. Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/oso/9780198779599.003.0010. ISBN 9780191824647.
^ Karimäki, Jenni (2019). "Finnish liberals and anti-fascism, 1922-1932". In Braskén, Kasper; Copsey, Nigel; Lundin, Johan A. (eds.). Anti-fascism in the Nordic Countries. Routledge. doi:10.4324/9781315171210. ISBN 9781315171210.
^ Casanova, Julián (2000). "Civil Wars, Revolutions, and Counterrevolutions in Finland, Spain and Greece (1918-1949): A Comparative Analysis". International Journal of Politics, Culture and Society. 13 (3).
^ Karcher, Nicola; Lundström, Markus. "The Nature of Nordic Fascism: An Introduction". In Karcher, Nicola; Lundström, Markus (eds.). Nordic Fascism: Fragments of an Entangled History. doi:10.4324/97810003193005-1.
^ Morgan, Philip (2003). Fascism in Europe, 1919-1945. Routledge. ISBN 0203448227.
^ Sakki, Inari; Hakoköngäs, Eemeli; Pettersson, Katarina (2018). "Past and Present Nationalist Political Rhetoric in Finland: Changes and Continuities". Journal of Language and Social Psychology. 37 (2): 160–180. doi:10.1177/0261927X17706945.

[koskelainen-1] Koskelainen, Sami; Hjelm, Titus (2016). "Christ vs. Communism: Communism as a Religious Social Problem in Finland's Proto-Fascist Lapua Movement in the 1930s". Journal of Historical Sociology. 40 (4). doi:10.1111/johs.12130.

[2] Siltaja, Juha (2015). "Dissolution and Reintegration in Finland, 1914–1932: How did a Disarmed Country Become Absorbed into Brutalization?". Journal of Baltic Studies. 46 (1). doi:10.1080/01629778.2015.1009691.

[3] Kettunen, Pauli Tapio (2018). "Wars, nation and the welfare state in Finland". In Obinger, Herbert; Petersen, Klaus; Starke, Peter (eds.). Warfare and Welfare: Military Conflict and Welfare State Development in Western Countries. Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/oso/9780198779599.003.0010. ISBN 9780191824647.

[4] Karimäki, Jenni (2019). "Finnish liberals and anti-fascism, 1922-1932". In Braskén, Kasper; Copsey, Nigel; Lundin, Johan A. (eds.). Anti-fascism in the Nordic Countries. Routledge. doi:10.4324/9781315171210. ISBN 9781315171210.

[5] Casanova, Julián (2000). "Civil Wars, Revolutions, and Counterrevolutions in Finland, Spain and Greece (1918-1949): A Comparative Analysis". International Journal of Politics, Culture and Society. 13 (3).

[6] Karcher, Nicola; Lundström, Markus. "The Nature of Nordic Fascism: An Introduction". In Karcher, Nicola; Lundström, Markus (eds.). Nordic Fascism: Fragments of an Entangled History. doi:10.4324/97810003193005-1.

[7] Morgan, Philip (2003). Fascism in Europe, 1919-1945. Routledge. ISBN 0203448227.

[8] Sakki, Inari; Hakoköngäs, Eemeli; Pettersson, Katarina (2018). "Past and Present Nationalist Political Rhetoric in Finland: Changes and Continuities". Journal of Language and Social Psychology. 37 (2): 160–180. doi:10.1177/0261927X17706945.

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