Talk:Vietnamese language

Injunction added to the lead

I have again reverted the addition of the following to the lead:

Transliteration from modern Vietnamese into chữ Nôm or Han script is highly discouraged, because many words now don't have a Nôm or Chinese counterparts.

While I agree with the sentiment, it is out of place in the lead, which is supposed to be a summary of the key points of the article and an overview of the subject. It is hard to imagine an overview of the language published anywhere else including such a statement.

It reads like a Manual of Style injunction directed at Wikipedia editors in support of edits like this[1]. I would suggest that an appropriate place for it would be somewhere in WP: space. Kanguole 17:46, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Hmm... where should I put that sentence in then? Maybe at the "Chữ Nôm" section? I think it is necessary to say so somewhere in the article because as a native Vietnamese, seeing people putting both the Vietnamese and Nôm name is extremely annoying and puzzling, because that's not how Vietnamese works. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 17:50, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Your beef is with Wikipedia editors. You should direct this at them, not the readers, who would never think of using an obsolete script. There is no Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Vietnam-related articles, but maybe there should be one. Kanguole 18:00, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

This isn't correct, I am vietnamese and we don't write like that

That's not the right way to write tones

not correct!!! TommyOrVarnt (talk) 03:15, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

@TommyVarnt What writing are you talking about? That's just a visual representation of the tone countours. DHN (talk) 17:59, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

i thing you need find more information with Learn Chinese-Vietnamese or Nom 2405:4802:905A:4C60:6C95:EBEB:25F3:208F (talk) 17:30, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Recognised minority language

The infobox currently lists China, Czech Republic and Slovakia as countries in which Vietnamese is a recognized minority language. This seems inappropriate:

• While the Gin people are a recognized minority group in China, their original language has no official status.
• There seems to be no evidence that the rights afforded to Vietnamese in the Czech Republic and Slovakia are any different from those afforded to Vietnamese and other minority languages across the countries of the EU.

Kanguole 08:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Some remarks for the section Language variation ...Why just Hanoi dialect?

...'The movements have also resulted in some blending of dialects and more significantly have made the Northern dialect more easily understood in the South and vice versa..:'

In 1954 million of people from North Vietnam are fled to South Vietnam. Since then the northern dialect is not something new for people in South Vietnam. But for people from North Vietnam moving to the South after 1975, some of them have problem unterstanding the southern dialect.

... Most Southerners, when singing modern/old popular Vietnamese songs or addressing the public, do so in the standardized accent if possible, which uses the Northern pronunciation. That is true in both Vietnam and overseas Vietnamese communities...:

For some unknown historical reason people are singing western-based music almost always in northern dialect.and that before 1975.

... Modern Standard Vietnamese is based on the Hanoi dialect...:

The reason is that the regime in Hanoi systematicaly and officially suppresses and bans the southern dialect (written and spoken language) from all public media (Radio, TV, Press) with exception of some talkshows.

In the dictionaries published in Vietnam all southern words are marked as dialectic. All courses for vietnamese language are taught "of course" in northern dialect.That also applies to the courses done by pro-Hanoi regime vietnamese communities abroad.

Note that in South Vietnam before 1975 all 3 dialects are written and spoken in all public media, in all schools, words in dictionaries are just marked as from "North, Central or South", but not dialectic.

All 3 dialects are of the same value in the everyday life of the society of South Vietnam before 1975.

The Hanoi regime just tries to "sell" the northern dialect as an "official language" of Vietnam, even e.g. the letter "R" is spoken as "Z", the letter "D" (pronounced like yes, yellow, in English or ja in German) is spoken as "Z", the letter combination "TR" is spoken as "CH" in northern dialect. As far as I know, northern dialect from Vietnam is the unique dialect ("language" according to the Hanoi regime) in which "R" is pronounced/spoken as "Z".

Hence the communist regime in Hanoi is commiting the murder of the southern dialect, of the southern culture and ultimately the vietnamese culture.

>>> What are the western "intellectuals" saying about the "cultural crime" committed by the Hanoi regime? Beautiful Bavaria (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)