User talk:Rockpool

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Reveald, Inc. (January 31)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by HitroMilanese was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please see WP:NCOMPANY and WP:CORPDEPTH.

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Hitro talk 08:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Rockpool! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Hitro talk 08:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Reveald, Inc. (January 31)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

We need to see significant coverage directly of the subject in multiple secondary sources that are independent and reliable. This draft cites no such source.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:15, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Reveald, Inc. has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Reveald, Inc.. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 14:37, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

appreciated! Rockpool (talk) 14:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Reveald, Inc. (January 31)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

The comment the reviewer left was:

just blatant advertising from the marketing department.

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Theroadislong (talk) 15:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Computer_security_software_companies which I used as inspiration - can you give this (non-marketing person) more context as to why you consider this "blatant advertising" ? Rockpool (talk) 15:39, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

because it just tells us what the company does, whereas it should report on what independent reliable sources hace chosen on their own to discuss. Theroadislong (talk) 16:15, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That seems to be true of other small company entries though? for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlgoSec and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IViz_Security as examples (and I know that the existence of a similar article is not necessarily a measure of appropriateness). The foundation of an article on a company surely has to start with a summary of what they do, of which the only source would be the company themselves (and thus not worthy of a reference). Rockpool (talk) 17:02, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Correct see other poor quality articles eixst. Your lede has one sentence about what they do (fair enough) but then goes on to say "which helps corporate entities reduce business risk by prioritizing exposure management following Continuous Threat Exposure (CTEM) methodologies, as well as providing services to operationalize CTEM, Endpoint Defense Management (EDM), and security event operations." which is totally inappropriate marketing. Theroadislong (talk) 17:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Reveald, Inc. has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Reveald, Inc.. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 17:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Reveald, Inc. (January 31)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

This is starting to get very close to rejection. Once more: we need to see independent and reliable secondary sources with significant coverage of the company itself. And we need to see at least three of them. Currently there are none cited.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Reveald, Inc. and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
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DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Reveald, Inc. has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Reveald, Inc.. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 18:07, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I saw - and I would politely suggest you are incorrect in your assertion that "Three of the sources do not even mention the topic" [1] is specifically about Digitalware - the prior name of the company the article is about [2] is specifically about the launch of Epiphany Systems, which was merged with Digitalware to form the company the article is about [3] is related specifically to Epiphany Systems, again a company which was merged to form the company in question. [4] is a complete mention of the fact that is being sited (the notable award). My intent is not to waste anyones time, it's to contribute to the Wikipedia coverage and completeness of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Computer_security_companies Rockpool (talk) 18:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]