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Blackrocks Brewery[edit]

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As of 6 June 2024, 18:01 (UTC), this page is active and open for discussion. An FAC coordinator will be responsible for closing the nomination.
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Nominator(s): Ed [talk] [OMT] 04:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blackrocks is a small craft brewery in Marquette, Michigan, US, located on the south shore of Lake Superior. Over the last 14 years it has grown from a (remarkably) small operation in a former residential home to being Michigan's ninth-largest brewer.

This article is a change of pace for me, as all of my previous FAs are related to warships. It has undergone a GAN by An anonymous username, not my real name and a pre-FAC review from Mike Christie. Thanks for your thoughts! Ed [talk] [OMT] 04:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I don't have anything to add to the comments I made on the talk page. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 09:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments[edit]

  • There's a few statements with "as of" dates, almost all of which are in the present tense, no matter what year they refer to e.g. "As of 2019, 51K IPA is Blackrocks' most popular beer" - 2019 was five years ago, so should this be in the past tense....? I note that you do have "As of 2021, Blackrocks was the ninth-largest brewery" in the past tense
  • "made it the second largest brewery [...] and raised them" - subject changes from being singular to plural mid-sentence
  • That's all I got - nice work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks, ChrisTheDude! I've updated these statements. I removed the as of 2019 entirely, as it's still the most popular beer and has been for most of the brewery's existence. Ed [talk] [OMT] 19:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gog the Mild[edit]

Recusing to review.

  • Link taproom.
  • "location is located" is a little clumsy.
"Blackrocks Brewery's customer-facing location is located".
  • "That soon became a common occurrence, and the two soon expanded". "soon ... soon ..." A tweak perhaps?
  • "an upper patio space followed later in 2022." later in 2022? What opened earlier in 2022?
  • "a local 50K ski marathon plus an additional 1K that would be needed". Kilometer needs writing out in full in both cases.
  • "It was one of the first beers they ever canned"> Delete "ever".
  • "one of the best new breweries in the state of Michigan". Out of how many?
  • "Blackrocks produced about 11,000 barrels of beer". What would this be in more familiar units?

Nice. I feel like a beer now. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ed, nudge. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gog the Mild: Thanks for the review! All but the last item is complete. Barrel (unit) is a unit of measurement that for US beer specifically converts to 120 liters, 31 gallons, or 26 imperial gallons. To my actual surprise, {{convert}} can handle this conversion, but converting all five of those listings individually will look ... messy. An alternative is converting them in a separate sentence, but there would be no reference for it. I assume that falls under WP:CALC, but I wanted to run that solution by you first (or see if you had a better idea!).
I have some experience of barrels, firkins, butts, tuns etc. In the context of microbreweries even. A suggestion: "Blackrocks' first one-barrel brewing system", after "one-barrel" insert a footnote stating what that is in US gallons, imperial gallons, and litres. "which allowed the brewery to expand production to 4,500 barrels per year" → 'which allowed the brewery to expand production to 4,500 barrels, 140,000 US gallons, per year'. IMO that would be sufficient for a reader, although it would smack of IAR. How does that sound? Yes, WP:CALC applies, but surely it is not difficult to find a source? If pressed, I have used Rodger, N.A.M. (2004). The Safeguard of the Sea. London: Penguin. ISBN 978-0-14-029724-9. pages xix–xx at FAC for similar conversions. Let me know if you would like a copy.
Also note that for the 50K/1K bullet, I didn't convert 50 or 1 kilometers to miles because the output looked more confusing than helpful to me. It's the name that's important for the purposes of this article, and not the actual distance. I assume you thought of this already, given that you only asked for the unit to be spelled out, but I figured I'd make the point just in case. Ed [talk] [OMT] 03:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You assume correctly.

Source review[edit]

I take that "Magnaghi, Russell (2015). Upper Peninsula Beer: A History of Brewing Above the Bridge. Charleston, SC: American Palate/The History Press." is a reliable source? I see their name mentioned sometimes - are they this guy? I kinda wonder if #27 has due weight concerns, solar panels on roofs aren't exactly a novel thing. What's "vinepair.com"? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: Thanks for looking at this! 1) Magnaghi is a well-known historian of the region. I actually had a local history class with him back in the day. There's more info about him in this pdf. 2) I've removed the solar panel mention and source. 3) VinePair is a drinks-focused digital publication out of New York that's been around for about a decade. I found several listings for their unique name in Google Books, so I treated them as reliable. Ed [talk] [OMT] 03:10, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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